Ball gazing genitives - Eachdraidh nam mùthaidhean

Akerbeltz: /* Best bets */

2019-07-29T17:45:04Z

Best bets

Akerbeltz 00:10, 29 dhen Iuchar 2019

2019-07-29T00:10:36Z

Akerbeltz: /* When all else fails... */

2019-07-17T12:28:02Z

When all else fails...

Akerbeltz: /* Less reliable stuff */

2019-07-17T12:27:06Z

Less reliable stuff

Akerbeltz: /* -oc */

2019-07-17T12:24:24Z

-oc

Akerbeltz: /* Best bets */

2019-07-17T12:18:45Z

Best bets

Akerbeltz: /* Monosyllables with ia and eu */

2019-07-17T12:14:28Z

Monosyllables with ia and eu

Akerbeltz: /* -air/-(e)adair/-(a)iche/-(e)ar */

2019-07-17T12:12:47Z

-air/-(e)adair/-(a)iche/-(e)ar

Akerbeltz: /* Monosyllables with long vowels */

2019-07-17T12:11:10Z

Monosyllables with long vowels

Akerbeltz: /* Monosyllables with ia and eu */

2019-07-17T12:09:44Z

Monosyllables with ia and eu

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 Your best bets are special endings (in the nominative singular) which generally take specific genitives. These are the most reliable rules for predicting genitives and if a word has such an ending, you should go with the rules for that special ending in preference to more generic rules.
-===-ach===
+===-air/-(e)adair/-(a)iche/-(e)ar===
 With a masculine noun ending in <span style="color: #008000;">-ach</span>, the genitive normally is <span style="color: #008000;">-aich</span>:
 * <span style="color: #008000;">balach » bal'''aich'''</span>
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 * <span style="color: #008000;">caisteal » caist'''eil'''</span>
 * <span style="color: #008000;">inneal » inn'''eil'''</span>
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← Mùthadh nas sine		Mùthadh on 00:10, 29 dhen Iuchar 2019
Loidhne 1:		Loidhne 1:
−	Well, it's a little more sophisticated - an reliable - than ball gazing but there's always a margin of error. As with the page on [[Plurals shmurals and how to predict them\|predicting plurals]] this is work in progress but someone asked for.	+	Well, it's a little more sophisticated - an reliable - than ball gazing but there's always a margin of error. As with the page on [[Plurals shmurals and how to predict them\|predicting plurals]] and [[How to gender a noun\|gendering nouns]] this is work in progress but someone asked for.

	Again to quote Captain Barbossa, the following pointers are ''more like guidelines''. Genitives are hard to predict with certainty, but there are some things that can make life easier. Note also that some genitives vary by dialect.		Again to quote Captain Barbossa, the following pointers are ''more like guidelines''. Genitives are hard to predict with certainty, but there are some things that can make life easier. Note also that some genitives vary by dialect.

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 Unfortunately this rule is often taught first, rather than last... Only apply this when none of the above applies, no shortcuts!!!
-If the ending in the nominative is broad, the genitive will have a tendency to slenderise it, irrespective of gender.
+If the ending in the nominative is broad, the genitive will have a tendency to slenderise it, irrespective of gender, with feminine nouns tending to slap on a final <span style="color: #008000;">-e</span> but not always.
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@@ Loidhne 92: / Loidhne 92: @@
 There is a fair number of flies in the ointment, like <span style="color: #008000;">gaoth » gao'''ithe'''</span>
-==Less reliable stuff==
+=Less reliable stuff=
 ==Loans==
 A lot of loanwords don't do genitive marking at all:

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 * <span style="color: #008000;">doras » dor'''ais'''</span>
-==-oc==
+===-oc===
 This seems an exotic rule but there are actually many words in this category and something slightly weird happens, so it's useful to know. If a word with one syllable ends in <span style="color: #008000;">-oc</span> then the genitive will be <span style="color: #008000;">-uic</span>:
 * <span style="color: #008000;">cnoc » cn'''uic'''</span>

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 * <span style="color: #008000;">carthannas » carthann'''ais'''</span>
 * <span style="color: #008000;">doras » dor'''ais'''</span>
 ===-th===

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 ==Monosyllables with ia and eu ==
-If you have a word with only one syllable and the vowel is <span style="color: #008000;">-ia-</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">-eu-</span> the the genitive is very often <span style="color: #008000;">-éi-</span>
+If you have a word with only one syllable and the vowel is <span style="color: #008000;">-ia-</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">-eu-</span> the the genitive is very often <span style="color: #008000;">-éi-</span>, with feminine nouns also slapping on the final <span style="color: #008000;">-e</span>
 * <span style="color: #008000;">ceum » céim</span>
 * <span style="color: #008000;">fiadh » féidh</span>
 * <span style="color: #008000;">fiach » féich</span>
 ==Monosyllables with long vowels ==

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 These are agentive endings. Bits that you stick onto another noun to show that someone makes or does something, like -er in English which gives you fish » fisher, wash » washer, clean » cleaner, and so on. Of these, only <span style="color: #008000;">-(e)ar</span> changes in the genitive, the others all stay the same:
 * <span style="color: #008000;">cruthaichear » cruthaich'''eir'''</span>
-Careful, this only works if the noun is made up of a noun plus an ending. There are some feminine nouns which aren't "composed" like that which behave differently. As a general rule, if you take away the ending, and what you're left with doesn't make sense, then it's not one of these. For example, with <span style="color: #008000;">cathair</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">nathair</span>, if you remove the <span style="color: #008000;">-air</span>, you're left with <span style="color: #008000;">cath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">nath</span> and which don't make sense because <span style="color: #008000;">cath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">nath</span> don't mean anything on their own. So, it's not <span style="color: #008000;">nath+air</span>, but just one word. See the next section for more examples.
+Careful, this only works if the noun is made up of a noun plus an ending or a loanword. There are some feminine nouns which aren't "composed" like that which behave differently. As a general rule, if you take away the ending, and what you're left with doesn't make sense, then it's not one of these. For example, with <span style="color: #008000;">cathair</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">nathair</span>, if you remove the <span style="color: #008000;">-air</span>, you're left with <span style="color: #008000;">cath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">nath</span> and which don't make sense because <span style="color: #008000;">cath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">nath</span> don't mean anything on their own. So, it's not <span style="color: #008000;">nath+air</span>, but just one word. See the next section for more examples.
 ===-air and -ir===

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 With others, it's less predictable (e.g. <span style="color: #008000;">ceàrd » ciùird</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">càrn » cùirn</span>) but even just knowing to expect this weird stuff in this category of noun can help a bit.
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