Labials or Sounds made at your Lips - Eachdraidh nam mùthaidhean

Susanharris 17:43, 2 dhen t-Sultain 2013

2013-09-02T17:43:15Z

Susanharris: /* B & P */

2013-09-02T08:46:48Z

B & P

Susanharris: /* B & P */

2013-09-02T08:29:51Z

B & P

Susanharris: /* B & P */

2013-09-02T08:28:10Z

B & P

Akerbeltz: /* B & P */

2013-09-01T12:39:43Z

B & P

Akerbeltz: /* B & P */

2013-09-01T12:38:17Z

B & P

Akerbeltz: /* B & P */

2013-09-01T12:37:43Z

B & P

Akerbeltz: /* B & P */

2013-09-01T12:34:50Z

B & P

Akerbeltz: /* B & P */

2013-09-01T12:33:30Z

B & P

Susanharris: /* Definite article lenition */

2013-08-29T05:54:28Z

Definite article lenition

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 The word labial ultimately comes from the Latin word labium meaning lip and surprise, surprise, describes sounds which involve the lips. Gaelic just has four of these ... well, kind of because there's broad and slender, and lenition. OK, OK, maybe it's a bit more complicated than I made it sound at first, so one thing at a time.
-Common Gaelic had 8 labials, plus their lenited fricatives: [b] [bʲ] [p] [pʲ] [f] [fʲ] [m] [mʲ] [v] [vʲ].  In modern Scottish Gaelic this has changed to [b] [bʲ] [p] [pj] [f] [fj] [m] [mj] [v] [vj].
+Common Gaelic had 10 labials (including the lenited fricatives): [b] [bʲ] [p] [pʲ] [f] [fʲ] [m] [mʲ] [v] [vʲ].  In modern Scottish Gaelic this has changed to [b] [bʲ] [p] [pj] [f] [fj] [m] [mj] [v] [vj].
 ==B & P==

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 ! width="48%" | [p] - Voiceless aspirated p
 |- valign="top"
-| English does not have this sound, it has the voiced [b] sound, meaning that your vocal chords vibrate. This English voiced [b] does not normally occur in Gaelic.<br/> The devoiced [b] you need for Gaelic does occur in English but only in clusters of <sp> such as in the word speech [sbiːʧ]. To make this sound, start with the word "speech" and leave out sounds until you are left just with the [b]. You can listen to this sound [[Consonants#B_sounds|here]]. || || | This is just like [p] in English so we won't say anything else about it. You can listen to some Gaelic examples [[Consonants#P_sounds|here]].
+| English does not have this sound, it has the voiced [b] sound, meaning that your vocal chords vibrate. This English voiced [b] does not normally occur in Gaelic.<br/> The devoiced [b] you need for Gaelic does occur in English but only in clusters of <sp> such as in the word speech [sbiːʧ]. To make this sound, start with the word "speech" and leave out sounds until you're left just with the [b]. You can listen to this sound [[Consonants#B_sounds|here]]. || || | This is just like [p] in English so we won't say anything else about it. You can listen to some Gaelic examples [[Consonants#P_sounds|here]].
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 ! width="48%" | [p] - Voiceless aspirated p
 |- valign="top"
-| English does not have this sound, it has the voiced [b] sound, meaning that your vocal chords vibrate. This English voiced b does not normally occur in Gaelic.<br/> The devoiced [b] you need for Gaelic does occur in English but only in clusters of <sp> such as in the word speech [sbiːʧ]. To make this sound, start with speech and leave out sounds until you are left just with the [b]. You can listen to this sound [[Consonants#B_sounds|here]]. || || | This is just like [p] in English so we won't say anything else about it. You can listen to some Gaelic examples [[Consonants#P_sounds|here]].
+| English does not have this sound, it has the voiced [b] sound, meaning that your vocal chords vibrate. This English voiced [b] does not normally occur in Gaelic.<br/> The devoiced [b] you need for Gaelic does occur in English but only in clusters of <sp> such as in the word speech [sbiːʧ]. To make this sound, start with the word "speech" and leave out sounds until you are left just with the [b]. You can listen to this sound [[Consonants#B_sounds|here]]. || || | This is just like [p] in English so we won't say anything else about it. You can listen to some Gaelic examples [[Consonants#P_sounds|here]].
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 |}

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 ! width="48%" | [p] - Voiceless aspirated p
 |- valign="top"
-| English does not have this sound, it has the voiced [b] sound, meaning that your vocal chords vibrate. This English voiced b does not normally occur in Gaelic.<br/> The devoiced b you need for Gaelic does occur in English but only in clusters of <sp> such as in the word speech [sbiːʧ]. To make this sound, start with speech and leave out sounds until you are left just with the [b]. You can listen to this sound [[Consonants#B_sounds|here]]. || || | This is just like [p] in English so we won't say anything else about it. You can listen to some Gaelic examples [[Consonants#P_sounds|here]].
+| English does not have this sound, it has the voiced [b] sound, meaning that your vocal chords vibrate. This English voiced b does not normally occur in Gaelic.<br/> The devoiced [b] you need for Gaelic does occur in English but only in clusters of <sp> such as in the word speech [sbiːʧ]. To make this sound, start with speech and leave out sounds until you are left just with the [b]. You can listen to this sound [[Consonants#B_sounds|here]]. || || | This is just like [p] in English so we won't say anything else about it. You can listen to some Gaelic examples [[Consonants#P_sounds|here]].
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 {| style="width: 80%;" border="0" align="center" cellspacing="3"
-! width="50%" | [b] - Devoiced unaspirated b
+! width="48%" | [b] - Devoiced unaspirated b
-! width="50%" | [p] - Voiceless aspirated p
+! width="4%" |
 |- valign="top"
-| English does not have this sound, it has the voiced [b] sound, meaning that your vocal chords vibrate. This English voiced b does not normally occur in Gaelic.<br/> The devoiced b you need for Gaelic does occur in English but only in clusters of <sp> such as in the word speech [sbiːʧ]. To make this sound, start with speech and leave out sounds until you are left just with the [b]. You can listen to this sound [[Consonants#B_sounds|here]]. || | This is just like [p] in English so we won't say anything else about it. You can listen to some Gaelic examples [[Consonants#P_sounds|here]].
+| English does not have this sound, it has the voiced [b] sound, meaning that your vocal chords vibrate. This English voiced b does not normally occur in Gaelic.<br/> The devoiced b you need for Gaelic does occur in English but only in clusters of <sp> such as in the word speech [sbiːʧ]. To make this sound, start with speech and leave out sounds until you are left just with the [b]. You can listen to this sound [[Consonants#B_sounds|here]]. || || | This is just like [p] in English so we won't say anything else about it. You can listen to some Gaelic examples [[Consonants#P_sounds|here]].
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 |}

← Mùthadh nas sine		Mùthadh on 12:34, 1 dhen t-Sultain 2013
Loidhne 6:		Loidhne 6:

	==B & P==		==B & P==
−	The main difference between the old [b] and the new [b] is one of voice which we explained here earlier and the difference between [b] and [p] is one of aspiration which is explained on the same page. But to sum it up again:	+	The main difference between the old [b] (in pure IPA [b]) and the new [b] (in pure IPA [p]) is one of voice which we explained here earlier and the difference between modern Gaelic [b] (in pure IPA [p]) and [p] (in pure IPA [pʰ]) is one of aspiration which is explained on the same page. But to sum it up again:

← Mùthadh nas sine		Mùthadh on 12:33, 1 dhen t-Sultain 2013
Loidhne 6:		Loidhne 6:

	==B & P==		==B & P==
−	The main difference between the old [b] and the new [b] is one of voice which we explained here earlier and the difference between [b] and [p] is one of aspiration which is explained on the same page. But to ~~some~~ it up again:	+	The main difference between the old [b] and the new [b] is one of voice which we explained here earlier and the difference between [b] and [p] is one of aspiration which is explained on the same page. But to sum it up again:

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 ==Definite article lenition==
-But with the definite article, strange things happen. No surprises there... Well, not so strange but it's a pain having to watch out for something else. An [fl] or [fr] after the definite article, when the definite article causes lenition, strengthens to [Lʲ] and [R] respectively. Oh, and the [n] of the article strengthens to [Nʲ] and [N] respectively:
+But with the definite article, strange things happen. No surprises there. Well, not so strange but it's a pain having to watch out for something else. An [fl] or [fr] after the definite article, when the definite article causes lenition, strengthens to [Lʲ] and [R] respectively. Oh, and the [n] of the article strengthens to [Nʲ] and [N] respectively:
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-This strengthening is something that happens quite regularly to the definite article. The other sound [fL] isn't affected because [fɫ] doesn't exist any more (well, unless you're from Harris, in which case you have [fɫ] which can strengthen to [fL]). If you speak a dialect which happens to allow slender [rʲ] in an initial cluster i.e. [frʲ], then you strengthen that to [R] too because initial slender and broad r are exactly the same. Quite logical all that really!!
+This strengthening is something that happens quite regularly to the definite article. The other sound [fL] isn't affected because [fɫ] doesn't exist any more, unless you're from Harris, in which case you have [fɫ] which can strengthen to [fL]. If you speak a dialect which happens to allow slender [rʲ] in an initial cluster i.e. [frʲ], then you strengthen that to [R] too because initial slender and broad r are exactly the same. Quite logical all that really!!
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